In this episode of The Curiosity Current, host Stephanie speaks with Matt Salem, SVP of Customer Success at Behaviorally and co-author of unPACKED: Predict Packaging That Sells. Drawing on over two decades of behavioral research, Matt shares how packaging serves as a brand’s silent salesperson, shaping attention, emotion, and purchase decisions at the moment of choice. He introduces the Four-S Framework: Seen, Shoppable, Seductive, Selected, a behavioral model that helps brands design packaging that wins on the shelf and online. Matt explains how visibility captures attention, shoppability simplifies navigation, seduction communicates difference, and selection confirms success through real buying behavior. He also discusses PAC AI, Behaviorally’s predictive engine built on decades of human shopping data, which allows brands to test and refine designs with accuracy and speed. The conversation extends into e-commerce, where mobile-ready hero images, size cues, and optimized visuals redefine what works in digital retail. Matt highlights how post-purchase moments, from ergonomics to everyday usability, reinforce brand loyalty and repeat buying. He emphasizes the need for a shared language across research, design, and marketing teams, reminding listeners that packaging sells when powered by behavioral insight and consistent measurement.

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